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Sun Sep 22 17:55:43 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: Welcome CSM Christian!
Sun Sep 22 17:56:38 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Greetings CSM Christian, the advance party is here.
Sun Sep 22 17:57:01 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster notes chat will start in 5 minutes
Sun Sep 22 17:57:06 2002-general-christian e9: Hooha! Thanks for all you are doing here
Sun Sep 22 17:58:19 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: CSM Christian, we will soon begin the offical part of the chat. SSG Mac will lead the discussion.
Sun Sep 22 17:58:51 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: We appreciate your participation in the unique medium of commo with the NCO Corps.
Sun Sep 22 17:59:00 2002-general-christian e9: CSM E I will follow his lead. Thanks
Sun Sep 22 17:59:34 2002-general-christian e9: CSM Elder, I hope not too many people laugh at my spelling.
Sun Sep 22 17:59:49 2002-general-SSG France: Waterb, glad you could make it...hello, Dawn...
Sun Sep 22 17:59:56 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: We all are patient, plus it happens to the best of us.
Sun Sep 22 17:59:59 2002-general-waterborne: good afternoon everyone
Sun Sep 22 18:00:13 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Hello, everybody!
Sun Sep 22 18:00:31 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster ATTENTION!
Sun Sep 22 18:00:44 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster notes the chat has begun
Sun Sep 22 18:00:46 2002-general-SSG France: MENTOR THE FORCE!!!
Sun Sep 22 18:00:51 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: MENTOR THE FORCE!!
Sun Sep 22 18:00:53 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Mac, you are up
Sun Sep 22 18:01:15 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort first question
Sun Sep 22 18:01:28 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: What is the future of Army watercraft?
Sun Sep 22 18:02:57 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: ..
Sun Sep 22 18:04:06 2002-general-christian e9: SSG Mac, Is this a question for me?
Sun Sep 22 18:04:20 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: Hooah, CSM.
Sun Sep 22 18:05:00 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Mac, please use the SEND Action, it is easier for the guest to see. Thx.
Sun Sep 22 18:05:14 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster ask question: What is the future of Army watercraft?
Sun Sep 22 18:06:16 2002-general-christian e9: As some of you may know, the High Speed Vessel, (HSV) was involved in the jiont execrcise that completed last month. It performed very well. Many would like to see a number of these craft brought on line so wwe can more effectively bring the fighter to th
Sun Sep 22 18:06:36 2002-general-christian e9: to continue... fighter to the battle.
Sun Sep 22 18:07:00 2002-general-waterborne: are we looking at the HSV being the main vessel for the AC?
Sun Sep 22 18:07:36 2002-general-SSG France: CSM Christian, how would that affect the MOS structure? I hear that this high speed boat would requre some new technical abilities...
Sun Sep 22 18:07:39 2002-general-christian e9: I would not call the HSV a main vessel but it will have a major role.
Sun Sep 22 18:09:06 2002-general-christian e9: IAs with any new piece of equipment the MOS structure will have to adjust to the number of pieces of equipment that the branch requires. I believe at 1st there will be a special identifier made for the HSV and not a whole new MOS.
Sun Sep 22 18:09:45 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Will the smaller craft, such as the Modular Causeway System, be made RC?
Sun Sep 22 18:10:37 2002-general-christian e9: That is being looked at but in the near term there will not be much movement away from how we are doing things now.
Sun Sep 22 18:10:45 2002-general-SSG France: I hear that the capacity for cargo on this vessel is huge...is this a way to get us away from using the other services to carry our equipment overseas?
Sun Sep 22 18:11:15 2002-general-waterborne: will the multi-compo unit open RC units to AC soldiers?
Sun Sep 22 18:12:06 2002-general-waterborne: sorry SSG F
Sun Sep 22 18:12:21 2002-general-christian e9: The capacity is super! And yes it is a way for us to leverage other means of getting the equipment and the fighters to the fight faster. For example the HSV will help reduce the requirment of air frames to move the same material.
Sun Sep 22 18:13:14 2002-general-christian e9: Ther are already multi-compo units that have all three components in them.
Sun Sep 22 18:14:23 2002-general-waterborne: might the number of AC slots increase in places like Tampa and Tacoma?
Sun Sep 22 18:14:54 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort signals 2 minutes remaining on this subject
Sun Sep 22 18:15:24 2002-general-christian e9: They could we are looking right now at our current force structure to see if we have the right mix in the right places. I believe you will see something on this in the next 9 to 12 months.
Sun Sep 22 18:15:44 2002-general-waterborne: Hooah, Thanks CSM
Sun Sep 22 18:16:01 2002-general-SSG France: In regard to the HSV, seeing as how we are taking over transportation and making ourselves more self sufficient, are we heading towards a self-sustainable force?
Sun Sep 22 18:16:21 2002-general-SSG France: How are the rest of the services looking at this?
Sun Sep 22 18:17:33 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort signals end of topic after reply to SSG France...
Sun Sep 22 18:17:41 2002-general-christian e9: We will always need the other services. They bring a lot to the battlefield. Our movement to bring on the HSV is an attempt to make our total capability fit better not just with in our own service but also fit with the other services plans as well.
Sun Sep 22 18:18:35 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort asks next question- Recently, there has been a lot of discussion about changing from an individual replacement system to a unit-replacement system. Is this realistic?
Sun Sep 22 18:18:46 2002-general-christian e9: The other services see the HSV as a force multiplier for the Army as well as them.
Sun Sep 22 18:19:33 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: Sorry, CSM- didn't mean to step on your toes!
Sun Sep 22 18:19:56 2002-private-diamond cutter: to: Escort for: CSM , you can answer my lengthy discussion off line regarding SMC @Bliss. It probably is not pertinent to this forum attendees.
Sun Sep 22 18:20:34 2002-general-christian e9: I hope me and CSM Elder are not the only two old guys who remember when we did a thing called COHORT. It was intended to move units at a time. We had some challenges with that. There is some new approaches being looked at and the Army is again exploring t
Sun Sep 22 18:20:53 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: The next question is below, in dark green letters.
Sun Sep 22 18:21:02 2002-general-christian e9: continued... exploring this way of personnel replacement
Sun Sep 22 18:21:28 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Well, JD has me by a few years, but I recall.
Sun Sep 22 18:21:49 2002-general-waterborne: COHORT?
Sun Sep 22 18:22:00 2002-general-SSG France: Was the COHORT a Army-wide program? I am stationed here in Europe, and the Stars and Stripes is in an uproar...
Sun Sep 22 18:22:04 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: It seems we spend lots of $$ on individual replacements, and we probably all agree that is not the best way to build teams.
Sun Sep 22 18:22:56 2002-general-christian e9: I can not remember the exact acronym definition. But it meant to train, move and fight as one unit.
Sun Sep 22 18:23:26 2002-general-ada1SG: Although seeing the way other units do things makes a more rounded soldier
Sun Sep 22 18:23:52 2002-general-jdpendry: The other part I read about talks about families staying in the rear - no overseas moves for them
Sun Sep 22 18:23:56 2002-general-christian e9: COHORT was a limited program for certain units only. It lasted several years and then the Army felt we were not getting out of it a total system.
Sun Sep 22 18:24:21 2002-general-SSG France: In my (decidedly humble) opinion, it would take a lot more bases in CONUS to keep units on a rotational basis to keep the USAREUR machine rolling...
Sun Sep 22 18:24:54 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: COHORT: cohesive operational readiness training
Sun Sep 22 18:25:26 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Well, if we redeployed all units from overseas, seems we would have a bigger base of people to draw from?
Sun Sep 22 18:25:32 2002-general-christian e9: About the families. That is part of the new plan being explored. This will reduce the cost in overseas areas. One of the big things being looked at is that the quality of life for the families remains high through all the separation.
Sun Sep 22 18:26:44 2002-general-christian e9: CSM Elder, One of the reasons the Army started to re-look unit moves again was to enhance combat readiness and to stabilize families.
Sun Sep 22 18:26:50 2002-general-SSG France: Is this something that will be phased in, and over how long a time would it be phased in? This doesn't seem like an overnight plan...timeframe?
Sun Sep 22 18:28:47 2002-general-christian e9: The timing will be done with some "test units" first to see what problems they experience. If the problems are workable then the Army would adopt the program on a broad basis. I do not know how long the test will be nor what units may be selected to try
Sun Sep 22 18:29:00 2002-general-waterborne: Speaking of overseas assignments, will the new relations between North and South Koreas decrease the need for a US presence in that region?
Sun Sep 22 18:29:20 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort signals end of topic
Sun Sep 22 18:29:45 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort end of topic following reply to waterborne
Sun Sep 22 18:30:21 2002-general-christian e9: Cross our fingers! But as soldiers we know that we must always be prepared. I do not believe that we will walk away from South korea without knowing that all is going to be OK over there.
Sun Sep 22 18:30:56 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort Asks next question- What is a Knight in the Order of Saint George? Is that similar to Order of the spur, etc?
Sun Sep 22 18:33:50 2002-general-ssgstiles: no!
Sun Sep 22 18:34:49 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: Stand by for CSM Christians' reply ssgstiles. Thanks!
Sun Sep 22 18:34:57 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: CSM Christian, did you get that question below?
Sun Sep 22 18:35:05 2002-general-ssgstiles: hooahj
Sun Sep 22 18:37:21 2002-general-waterborne: Mac, can we fit in some questions about Operational and Peace Keeping rotations?
Sun Sep 22 18:38:20 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Mac, please reload the question.
Sun Sep 22 18:38:30 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort Repeats last question- What is a Knight in the Order of Saint George? Is that similar to Order of the spur, etc?
Sun Sep 22 18:39:47 2002-general-christian e9: The Kinght in the Order of Saint George is an Honor award given to select individuals in the Armor force. It is similar to the Order of Saint Barbera for the artillery.
Sun Sep 22 18:40:26 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort signals end of topic- opens the floor for a question
Sun Sep 22 18:40:44 2002-general-christian e9: You are allowed to wear it as part of your formal uniform but not for offical photographs.
Sun Sep 22 18:41:10 2002-general-waterborne: Do you feel the vast number of operational and peace keeping rotations reduces our war fighting ability?
Sun Sep 22 18:42:23 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster notes question by waterborne
Sun Sep 22 18:42:57 2002-general-christian e9: I believe the number of missions challenges each of us to be prepared to go into many different places for a wide varity of missions. I tend to think that the only real thing that reduces our ability to fight is soldiers and leaders not doing all they can
Sun Sep 22 18:43:37 2002-general-christian e9: continued.. can to train and to learn. That is why this net is so good, it helps us all learn.
Sun Sep 22 18:43:52 2002-general-waterborne: What can be done to reduce the frequency with which soldiers are deployed in these types of actions?
Sun Sep 22 18:44:09 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: It seems that no matter the operation, there are similar tasks that NCOs must still be skilled in performing, TLP, PCC/PCI, basic leadership.
Sun Sep 22 18:45:33 2002-general-christian e9: At FORSCOM we see all the units in CONUS and watch that very closely. One of the problems is that soldiers still PCS between units and so while the unit may appear as not to have been used lately the soldiers inside that unit may be on their third
Sun Sep 22 18:46:56 2002-general-christian e9: continued...third or fourth mission. The new personnel system coming on line in a few years will assit us in seeing the individual as well as the unit. So you can sort of see now why we are looking at unit moves rather then individual.
Sun Sep 22 18:48:01 2002-general-diamond cutter: CSM ,your thoughts on possibly getting Congress to look @ base and retirement pay: by increasing it for our NCOs, as it is compared to commisioned officers? It seems to low for enlisted soldiers who have more weight on their backbones.
Sun Sep 22 18:48:04 2002-general-diamond cutter: 9ncos
Sun Sep 22 18:48:10 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: PERSTEMPO was supposed to help track that.
Sun Sep 22 18:48:18 2002-general-SSG France: I think I see what you mean...if someone who was at the end of their tour at 10th Mountain and PCSd to 25th ID, then 25th ID got deployed to Central Asia, then that soldier will be spending the better part of the year In Afghanistan
Sun Sep 22 18:48:44 2002-general-christian e9: CSM Elder brings out a very great point. Basic soldier skills are the ones I look for when I go to visit units. What I find is that good units have the basics down pat. The units that do not have the basics don are the ones who are struggeling
Sun Sep 22 18:48:56 2002-general-diamond cutter: Sorry about that burst! My typing finger slipped.
Sun Sep 22 18:49:20 2002-general-christian e9: SSG France you have it.
Sun Sep 22 18:50:13 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster notes 10 minute warning
Sun Sep 22 18:50:25 2002-general-christian e9: PERSTEMPO became a challenge when we went to war. It is a good idea in peace but could not validate the war total war missions.
Sun Sep 22 18:51:13 2002-general-waterborne: While moving units helps continutiy at unit level, wouldnt it hurt the same at higher levels, Battalions and Brigades?
Sun Sep 22 18:52:28 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Next question?
Sun Sep 22 18:52:42 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort Notes question by diamond cutter following reply to waterborne
Sun Sep 22 18:52:43 2002-general-waterborne: I have one below CSM.
Sun Sep 22 18:53:30 2002-general-christian e9: That is a good question waterb. That is one of the outcomes of the test we will be watching. If you think of traditional unit organizations as we have now you are probably right but there is discussion as well as to the make up of our levels of command,
Sun Sep 22 18:53:34 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort notes diamondcutters question- asked first
Sun Sep 22 18:54:07 2002-general-christian e9: continued... command, do we need divisions? Do we need Brigades? This is al being looked at.
Sun Sep 22 18:55:05 2002-general-jdpendry: Won't this also mean that soldiers/NCOs will stay in the same units longer? Do you see that aas having an impact on development of SR NCOs because of linited opportunity in the same unit?
Sun Sep 22 18:55:15 2002-general-christian e9: SSG Mac, I do not see a question from diamond cutter
Sun Sep 22 18:55:43 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort asks diamondcutter to re-ask question
Sun Sep 22 18:56:05 2002-general-diamond cutter: CSM ,your thoughts on possibly getting Congress to look @ base and retirement pay: by increasing it for our NCOs, as it is compared to commisioned officers? It seems to low for enlisted soldiers who have more weight on their backbones.
Sun Sep 22 18:56:44 2002-general-waterborne: is there an echo in here?
Sun Sep 22 18:57:00 2002-general-christian e9: JD again, you have it on the money. As you know in the COHORT one of the problems was up ward mobility in the unit and if all stay in the same place there will be promotion challenges. DA PERSCOM is looking at all of this.
Sun Sep 22 18:58:49 2002-general-jdpendry: That'll be a tough one to work out.
Sun Sep 22 18:59:16 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort notes final question by diamondcutter
Sun Sep 22 18:59:19 2002-general-christian e9: Diamond, Ypou do not want to compare officers and NCOs inb pay. We have a role as an NCO and we do not compare or job to the officer. As you can see in the last couple of years enlisted pay has gotten a lot better and I believe this will continue. What y
Sun Sep 22 18:59:47 2002-general-christian e9: continued.. waht you may not know is that many officers pushed this for the enlisted.
Sun Sep 22 19:00:19 2002-general-ssgstiles: CSM Christian, Can you elaborate on the new senior enlisted promotion board schedules?
Sun Sep 22 19:00:23 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster notes time. CSM Christian, on behalf of all the NCOs present here, we would like to thank you for participating in this chat with us and taking your own personal time to be here. Hooah! Please feel free to stay with us as long as you are able.
Sun Sep 22 19:00:55 2002-general-SSG France: CSM Christian, thank you for your time. It was an honor...
Sun Sep 22 19:01:20 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort I would like to thank you CSM Christian, on behalf of all of us here at SL.com for taking time out of your busy schedule, and personal time. HOOAH!
Sun Sep 22 19:01:27 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Thank you for spending so much time on watercraft issues, CSM Christian!
Sun Sep 22 19:01:40 2002-general-AGSFC01: CSM, thanks for your time,,,,sorry I hit the air late, but it was still informative,,,,,Mahalo from 25th ID
Sun Sep 22 19:01:46 2002-general-diamond cutter: CSM in closing to your response ;We have better educated and highly competent NCOs at serve for 20 plus years and earn just enough to pay a mortgage at retirement? I would never compare an officer to an NCO, they are a TEAM. Thanks much for your time!
Sun Sep 22 19:02:02 2002-general-christian e9: To ALL. I just want to say thanks to each of you for asking some great questions. Also, thanks to you and your families for what all of you are doing to continue to make this Army great.
Sun Sep 22 19:02:09 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_Mac, Escort CSM Christian, you are more than welcome to stick around if you have time
Sun Sep 22 19:04:49 2002-general-christian e9: Diamond, As you mnay of heard there was discussion on E10. I said no! The reason is that it would only effect a small number of NCOs. What I counter purposed was to continue to have the longivity pay go every two years for as long as you serve and not to
Sun Sep 22 19:05:53 2002-general-christian e9: continued.. not to have the retirement pay capped at 30 years. Let those that can, continue to accumulate retirement unit they hit 35 years of service.
Sun Sep 22 19:06:40 2002-general-diamond cutter: CSM you are on the money. I am looking out for the future generation of NCOs and enlisted. One day I will lobby in Congress for this same thing it is dear to me. Thanks
Sun Sep 22 19:06:42 2002-general-SSG France: CSM Christian, do you mean that the percentage that goes up every two years after retirement?
Sun Sep 22 19:08:00 2002-general-christian e9: Right now the longivity pay stops being increased at the 26 year mark. Why? I believe if you serve 30 years then you should get a longivity pay raise at 28 and 30 as well.
Sun Sep 22 19:08:20 2002-general-ssgstiles: CSM Cristian, can you elaborate on the senior enlisted promotion board schedules?
Sun Sep 22 19:08:23 2002-general-diamond cutter: CSM see my other post in the Army Cafe in CSM Elders box regarding an issue with SGM Course it will interest you.
Sun Sep 22 19:08:27 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: And at 32?
Sun Sep 22 19:08:58 2002-general-christian e9: I do not have the board schedules here but they are on line on the Army web site.
Sun Sep 22 19:09:08 2002-general-waterborne: If warrant officers are allowed to serve 20 years in that capacity, why cant NCO's so the same thing?
Sun Sep 22 19:09:33 2002-general-christian e9: CSM Elder, Roger, 32, and 34 if you serve that long.
Sun Sep 22 19:10:41 2002-general-AGSFC01: CSM, Will there ever be systems in place that informs Senior NCOs of the reason (s) for not being selected for promotion?
Sun Sep 22 19:11:11 2002-general-AGSFC01: The reason I ask is, I see a lot of seniors out there heart broken because they are out here busting there humps and dont get rewarded for it. Then you look across the street at the guy/gal with the same MOS, TIS, TIG--but has a third of what you bring to
Sun Sep 22 19:11:13 2002-general-christian e9: waterborn remember our force structure is based on some people getting out at certain times. Other wise we will have too old of an Army. Trust me, every 45 year old can not climb those hills the way a 25 year old can.
Sun Sep 22 19:11:49 2002-general-waterborne: Hooah, CSM!
Sun Sep 22 19:12:03 2002-general-AGSFC01: the table and they are getting promoted over you. Ive seen a lot of excellent seniors get out right at 20 because of this, and these are the guys and gals that you want to keep to 30.
Sun Sep 22 19:13:02 2002-general-diamond cutter: I must have started something interesting?<>cutter
Sun Sep 22 19:13:08 2002-general-christian e9: AGSF, The best way right now for an NCo to see the board is to find a copy of the board report that comes out after the board is complete. That report sharessome insights as to what the board panel saw. Each proponent will have a copy of the report.
Sun Sep 22 19:14:07 2002-general-AGSFC01: Hooah!! Thanks CSM
Sun Sep 22 19:14:24 2002-general-diamond cutter: CSM we at Army Signal Command break to NETCOM soon and I am sure the issues will make you wonder.
Sun Sep 22 19:15:46 2002-general-christian e9: Diamond, The break will have little impact on how the Army does business for the war fight. For the most part it will be transparent to most of the force.
Sun Sep 22 19:16:39 2002-general-christian e9: All, I have to break contact. Thanks again for a good dialog with each of you. Keep the soldiers safe!!
Sun Sep 22 19:16:56 2002-general-waterborne: HOOAH
Sun Sep 22 19:17:04 2002-general-CSM_Elder, Webmaster: Hooah, CSM, thanks.
Sun Sep 22 19:17:04 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Hooah, CSM Christian!!
Sun Sep 22 19:17:08 2002-general-AGSFC01: Hooah!!!
Sun Sep 22 19:17:13 2002-general-SSG_Mac, Escort: Thanks again, CSM!!! Stop by the board anytime!
Sun Sep 22 19:17:17 2002-general-diamond cutter: Train to Fight , Lead us right.<>cutter
Sun Sep 22 19:17:18 2002-general-SSG France: Once again, CSM Christian, Thank You. We would appreciate it if you would spread the word...
Sun Sep 22 19:18:45 2002-general-||||||||| CSM_Elder, Webmaster announces log now closed