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Sun Aug 11 17:37:10 2002-general-Dan_E: A quick review of the plan for those present....
Sun Aug 11 17:37:51 2002-general-Dan_E: ...in a few we will begin discussion of the initial topics submitted. Pagan will begin the discussion in about15 minutes
Sun Aug 11 17:38:16 2002-general-Dan_E: As visitors arrive, they will be able to jump in
Sun Aug 11 17:38:29 2002-general-||||||||| pritchec just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 17:38:46 2002-general-Dan_E: If there is a lull in the battle, Pagan will move to the next subject
Sun Aug 11 17:39:05 2002-general-Dan_E: Tori, still there?
Sun Aug 11 17:39:19 2002-general-||||||||| jdpendry just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 17:39:27 2002-general-Pagan: still here -- I'm speechless (if ya'll can believe that)
Sun Aug 11 17:39:34 2002-general-||||||||| pritchec just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:39:56 2002-general-SSG F: Yeah, we're all just sitting in the back row waiting to be told to fill up the seats in front
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Sun Aug 11 17:40:06 2002-general-SGT Spoon:
Sun Aug 11 17:40:10 2002-general-Dan_E: HI Dawn, welcome
Sun Aug 11 17:40:13 2002-general-||||||||| '3jdpendry just logged off.
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Sun Aug 11 17:40:28 2002-general-SSG F: Hey Dawn. Had a rough week?
Sun Aug 11 17:40:35 2002-general-||||||||| jdpendry just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:40:41 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Wow, looks crowded in here!
Sun Aug 11 17:40:59 2002-general-Pagan: Itsn't it cool, Dawn?
Sun Aug 11 17:41:00 2002-general-||||||||| lowstature just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:41:15 2002-general-SGTHeyse: It's been a week.... Took over my squad on a permanent basis on Wednesday
Sun Aug 11 17:41:32 2002-general-SGTHeyse: I've never seen the chat room this full!
Sun Aug 11 17:41:46 2002-general-Dan_E: Tori, did you get the subjects? I locked the board.
Sun Aug 11 17:41:56 2002-general-SSG F: Dawn, I have been meaning to see how the situation we discussed ended up. I'll e-mail you off line.
Sun Aug 11 17:42:25 2002-general-SGTHeyse: OK, SSG F
Sun Aug 11 17:42:45 2002-general-Pagan: Well, let me review -- EO, DS, SFC Board, SMA selection process, and -- geez, I'm old, I forget.
Sun Aug 11 17:42:54 2002-general-||||||||| Bearcat just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:43:06 2002-general-lowstature: hello all
Sun Aug 11 17:43:11 2002-general-SGT Spoon:
Sun Aug 11 17:43:14 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Hello!
Sun Aug 11 17:43:19 2002-general-Bearcat: hello all am I late or you early
Sun Aug 11 17:43:28 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings Bearcat, welcome
Sun Aug 11 17:43:37 2002-general-jdpendry: Bearcat - depends on who;s claok you looked at
Sun Aug 11 17:43:43 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Early is on-time... On time is late!
Sun Aug 11 17:43:44 2002-general-Dan_E: A few early.
Sun Aug 11 17:43:45 2002-general-jdpendry: clock
Sun Aug 11 17:44:03 2002-general-Dan_E: Always be 5 minutes early and you will never be late.
Sun Aug 11 17:44:06 2002-general-SSG F: hello, bearcat, lowstature
Sun Aug 11 17:44:07 2002-general-||||||||| 0JoeP just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:44:09 2002-general-Pagan: Did I forget anything, Dan?
Sun Aug 11 17:44:57 2002-general-lowstature: looks like I haven't missed anything
Sun Aug 11 17:45:34 2002-general-SSG F: We haven't started yet, we're still walking around the room with drinks in our hands
Sun Aug 11 17:45:40 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings OJoeP
Sun Aug 11 17:45:56 2002-general-lowstature: thats good... I logged on @ 1400 zulu before I realized the time change
Sun Aug 11 17:46:06 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Did you miss the snacks table? It's over in the corner
Sun Aug 11 17:46:08 2002-general-Dan_E: Official business begins in about 9 minutes
Sun Aug 11 17:46:31 2002-general-Pagan: Is our guest still here?
Sun Aug 11 17:46:33 2002-general-SSG F: yeah, I've been in and out all day to see if there were going to be any pre-chat chats
Sun Aug 11 17:46:39 2002-general-||||||||| 4csmdaniels just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:46:40 2002-general-Dan_E: Chat history will be posted later today
Sun Aug 11 17:46:58 2002-general-pritchec: I'm still here
Sun Aug 11 17:47:04 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings 4csmdaniels, welcome
Sun Aug 11 17:47:14 2002-general-Pagan: I thought I lost you in the crowd
Sun Aug 11 17:47:23 2002-general-4csmdaniels: thank you
Sun Aug 11 17:47:56 2002-general-Bearcat: Csm p yooks like you 've stired some interest
Sun Aug 11 17:47:57 2002-general-Dan_E: For those just arriving, official chat begins on the hour. Pagan will begin the discussion.
Sun Aug 11 17:48:06 2002-general-lowstature: lol prechat excitement had to set the alarm but woke up before
Sun Aug 11 17:48:07 2002-general-0JoeP: <smile>
Sun Aug 11 17:48:50 2002-general-SSG F: Looks like a good turnout, boss. Think this one's gonna work
Sun Aug 11 17:49:07 2002-general-pritchec: this is for my development as musch as it for everyone else!!
Sun Aug 11 17:49:25 2002-general-Dan_E: Agree, SSG F.
Sun Aug 11 17:49:57 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Thank you for agreeing to join us, CSM P!
Sun Aug 11 17:50:22 2002-general-Pagan: I hope this trend catches on for along time to come
Sun Aug 11 17:50:31 2002-general-SGT Spoon: You could be starting a trend here Dan_E....
Sun Aug 11 17:50:57 2002-general-SGT Spoon: The professional development forum of the future
Sun Aug 11 17:51:00 2002-general-pritchec: In order for me to convince my peers this is a good venue to teach, coach, menotr and share information
Sun Aug 11 17:51:02 2002-general-jdpendry: CSM P, you're in the right place to hear form NCOs - much candor here - and this is the future
Sun Aug 11 17:51:05 2002-general-Dan_E: Let's hope so SGT Spoon. Next Guest is CSM Mellinger from 1st Army.
Sun Aug 11 17:51:17 2002-general-SGTHeyse: No kidding! This is a great opportunity for those who would never run into the senior leadership, otherwise!
Sun Aug 11 17:51:41 2002-general-pritchec: I had to participate!
Sun Aug 11 17:52:07 2002-general-pritchec: That's Great Jeff will be awesome
Sun Aug 11 17:52:22 2002-general-SGT Spoon: CSM P...I'm sure you will accomplish that objective...
Sun Aug 11 17:52:46 2002-general-Dan_E: Alsom talking with the Sgt Maj Academy CSM to find time, and an NCOA Commandant.
Sun Aug 11 17:53:39 2002-general-jdpendry: Dan - how about training center CSMs
Sun Aug 11 17:53:40 2002-general-||||||||| SGT Dicken just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 17:53:45 2002-general-pritchec: you'd be surprised how many for me peers have reservation about using technology
Sun Aug 11 17:54:04 2002-general-pritchec: I'll see CSM West next week and encourage him
Sun Aug 11 17:54:08 2002-general-Pagan: {sitting in the back of the car, leaning forward} Are we there yet, Dan?
Sun Aug 11 17:54:13 2002-general-Dan_E: Welcome SGT Dicken
Sun Aug 11 17:54:18 2002-general-SGTHeyse: What are your peers afraid of, CSM P?
Sun Aug 11 17:54:19 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E is calling the room to attention
Sun Aug 11 17:54:31 2002-general-Dan_E: Okay Tori, you start us off
Sun Aug 11 17:55:11 2002-general-Pagan: I'm going to start with the E7 Board in 2004 and ask what effect that's going to have on the NCO Corps/junior NCOs
Sun Aug 11 17:56:05 2002-general-Dan_E: Good point. Lot of discussion about the board shift. CSM P?
Sun Aug 11 17:56:39 2002-general-pritchec: I don't think it going to have a negative effect, this next E7 Board will be in 2003 and it will be a list we promote off of for 19 months
Sun Aug 11 17:56:50 2002-general-lowstature:
Sun Aug 11 17:57:15 2002-general-jdpendry: a little behind in my reading, what are we trying to correct
Sun Aug 11 17:57:26 2002-general-Dan_E: I have heard some wonder if the "cut line" will drop to those less qualified if they have a large list?
Sun Aug 11 17:57:32 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Quick question... What is happening to the 2004 E7 Board?
Sun Aug 11 17:57:32 2002-general-Pagan: Sorry. There will be no SFC Board in 2004
Sun Aug 11 17:57:57 2002-general-SSG F: I have heard two different ideas...one, that it will devalue next years list, because everyone and brother makesit, or it will be a normal selection rate, just expanded
Sun Aug 11 17:58:01 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Oh... That must have some folks a little upset
Sun Aug 11 17:58:11 2002-general-pritchec: we're going to move the SGM/CSM board to Jun and the SFC Board to OCT
Sun Aug 11 17:58:46 2002-general-pritchec: inorder to do that there will be no E7 board in 2004 to get everything on track
Sun Aug 11 17:59:00 2002-general-jdpendry: O I C
Sun Aug 11 17:59:33 2002-general-Pagan: Will that also effect the other components (RC/USAR/AGR) as well?
Sun Aug 11 17:59:34 2002-general-jdpendry: so we intend to promote the same amount - just from one bigger board in 03?
Sun Aug 11 17:59:49 2002-general-Dan_E: Do you think we may need a larger panel for the next E7 board?
Sun Aug 11 17:59:53 2002-general-pritchec: PERSCOM SGM Purcell has reallly worked the numbers on this an given a thorough laydown to the SMA
Sun Aug 11 17:59:56 2002-general-SGT Spoon: I understand the rationale for the shift, and agree completely..is there going to be an expanded zone of consideration for the SSGs who would have become eligible in the year that is being skipped?
Sun Aug 11 18:00:01 2002-general-SSG F: I know there's no way to read the future, but does this mean there's a greater chance for those who would not normally be selected, CSM P?
Sun Aug 11 18:00:38 2002-general-||||||||| SGT Dicken just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 18:01:04 2002-general-pritchec: We will select what we need for promotion based on the formula that will cover anticpated SFC vacanicies for 03'04
Sun Aug 11 18:01:48 2002-general-pritchec: The pool will be expanded to ensure we can slected the best qualified
Sun Aug 11 18:02:06 2002-general-jdpendry: so it really does not imply that some will get promoted sooner than they might otherwise
Sun Aug 11 18:02:50 2002-general-||||||||| GOOCH just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:02:57 2002-general-SSG F: As I understand, a SSG gets two looks in the secondary before the first in the primary. Am I wrong?
Sun Aug 11 18:03:21 2002-general-lowstature: primary is 36 months in grade
Sun Aug 11 18:03:28 2002-general-Dan_E: Welcome Gooch. Join in.
Sun Aug 11 18:03:53 2002-general-pritchec: correct, from all that I've been told. I have asked that PERSCOM do a story for ARNEWS laying out the reasons and the way aheadt
Sun Aug 11 18:04:10 2002-general-GOOCH: THANKS
Sun Aug 11 18:04:40 2002-general-Pagan: I think the story already hit the Army Times and that's what's started the hulabalu
Sun Aug 11 18:04:42 2002-general-pritchec: It is possisle a SSG could get 2 looks in the secondary zone
Sun Aug 11 18:04:58 2002-general-SSG F: Well, that means that, with this schedule, people like myself will get their first look in secondary, and then the next will be the first in the primary.
Sun Aug 11 18:06:36 2002-general-Pagan: Are we ready to move on to another topic or remain with this one?
Sun Aug 11 18:06:52 2002-general-pritchec: correct, this is a one time correction to the process, so those who don't make this list will have to wait until '05 and for them it will be difficult to undersatnd and accept that this is good for the Army
Sun Aug 11 18:06:59 2002-general-jdpendry: CSM P, back to Dan's question - do you think that alarger SFC Board will be needed
Sun Aug 11 18:07:12 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces a topic change
Sun Aug 11 18:07:14 2002-general-SSG F: I serve at the pleasure of my command team
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Sun Aug 11 18:08:09 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings lanemeister, welcome
Sun Aug 11 18:08:23 2002-general-pritchec: We'll just epand the population, slect the best qualified and ensure we select enough SFC based on PERSCOMs formula for projected SFC vacanies, so it will be a large list
Sun Aug 11 18:09:08 2002-general-GOOCH: will there be two sfc boards this year
Sun Aug 11 18:09:24 2002-general-||||||||| pritchec just entered this channel
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Sun Aug 11 18:09:28 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E asks for final questions on this topic?
Sun Aug 11 18:09:47 2002-general-pritchec: No just one for 03
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Sun Aug 11 18:10:39 2002-general-lowstature: will there be more board members on the 04 board? or just a longer selection process?
Sun Aug 11 18:10:44 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings Blackk, welcome
Sun Aug 11 18:11:01 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E opens for a new question
Sun Aug 11 18:11:07 2002-general-Pagan: What are the things you set out to do to progress your career (i.e.; DS) and how do you think they've effected where you are today?
Sun Aug 11 18:12:30 2002-general-pritchec: My first goal was to be a DS and I'm managed to do that very early in my career, as a SGT with 22 months in the Army
Sun Aug 11 18:13:12 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Wow!
Sun Aug 11 18:13:13 2002-general-pritchec: Being a DS so early on ingrained in me Settting the Example, Be the Example and enforcing standards
Sun Aug 11 18:13:25 2002-general-SGT Spoon:
Sun Aug 11 18:13:33 2002-standby-||||||||| jdpendry just entered this channel.
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Sun Aug 11 18:13:36 2002-general-GOOCH: as a recruiter it is hurting my knowledge of my mos
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Sun Aug 11 18:13:42 2002-general-pritchec: Then the Army decided I should be a recruiter
Sun Aug 11 18:14:12 2002-general-Dan_E: CSM P, what are your thoughts on selecting SGT for DS duty today?
Sun Aug 11 18:14:13 2002-general-jdpendry: CSMP I agree - DS is the best professional develpment any NCO can have
Sun Aug 11 18:14:20 2002-general-SSG F: did you volunteer for DS, or were you selected both times?
Sun Aug 11 18:15:40 2002-general-pritchec: I think there is room in the program for SGTs as DS
Sun Aug 11 18:16:01 2002-general-pritchec: Say a SGT with 5 years TIS and 2 yrs TIG
Sun Aug 11 18:16:32 2002-general-jdpendry: We had'em when I was DS - they did fine as an assistant to a more sneior DS
Sun Aug 11 18:16:36 2002-general-pritchec: I volunteered to be a DS, back in 1974 women could volunteer as E4
Sun Aug 11 18:17:07 2002-general-SSG F: So there should be a minimum TIS requirement?
Sun Aug 11 18:17:10 2002-general-GOOCH: I have found out that if you had put your packet in for DS you were change to a recruiter
Sun Aug 11 18:17:16 2002-general-SSG F: For E-5, I mean.
Sun Aug 11 18:17:30 2002-general-SGT Spoon: I remember drill Corporals when I was coming up...any chance of that coming back?
Sun Aug 11 18:17:33 2002-general-pritchec: Exactly, but with the fallout of APG and our other training centers some Sr Ldrs ar very reluctant
Sun Aug 11 18:18:02 2002-general-Blackk: The reserves still have Drill Corporals, don't they.
Sun Aug 11 18:18:05 2002-general-SGTHeyse: No drill CPLs due to lack of maturity?
Sun Aug 11 18:18:10 2002-general-jdpendry: I can understand that
Sun Aug 11 18:18:11 2002-general-pritchec: I doubt it for the very near future for Drill Corporals
Sun Aug 11 18:18:37 2002-general-Blackk: I agree with the maturity issue
Sun Aug 11 18:19:22 2002-general-pritchec: Yes and No they are allowed to begin the training process as a Corporal, but can't be a DS until they make SGT from my limited knowledge for the RC
Sun Aug 11 18:19:28 2002-general-GOOCH: what about CPL in recruiting
Sun Aug 11 18:19:53 2002-general-SGT Spoon: I believe CPL can be recruiters now can't they?
Sun Aug 11 18:19:54 2002-general-pritchec: That program seems to be working well
Sun Aug 11 18:20:07 2002-general-SGT Spoon: At least in a limited capacity?
Sun Aug 11 18:20:21 2002-general-pritchec: it was designed to get soldiers out in the communies closer in age to the folks we're trying to recruit
Sun Aug 11 18:21:05 2002-general-SSG F: Question, kind of a which came first, chicken or egg...is being D/S or Recruiter really as big a career enhancement, or do those jobs give you the skills to enhance your own career?
Sun Aug 11 18:21:07 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces 5 minutes remaining on this topic
Sun Aug 11 18:21:26 2002-general-pritchec: The program is still going on. Think it's up to 400 folks
Sun Aug 11 18:21:58 2002-general-pritchec: I wanted to be a DS, I did not want to be a Recruiter that was the Army's idea
Sun Aug 11 18:22:10 2002-general-Pagan: lol
Sun Aug 11 18:22:20 2002-general-||||||||| Mike just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:22:22 2002-general-GOOCH: same here
Sun Aug 11 18:22:31 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:22:35 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings Mike, welcome
Sun Aug 11 18:22:50 2002-general-pritchec: however, which ever one you do, as long as you do it to the best of your ability and are successful, with no adverse action, they both will help your career
Sun Aug 11 18:23:00 2002-general-Pagan: But, CSM P, didn't you gain something from the experience anyway (either personally or professionally)?
Sun Aug 11 18:23:29 2002-general-pritchec: I did learn alot about myself on recruiting duty
Sun Aug 11 18:23:41 2002-general-lowstature: your bio has several special assignments listed but says nothing about civilian college, do you think it is better for advancement with special assignments or college ?
Sun Aug 11 18:23:52 2002-general-SSG F: good or bad?
Sun Aug 11 18:24:14 2002-general-pritchec: I also learned you can chose to be miserable w - which I was for my first year - or you can chose to be otherwise
Sun Aug 11 18:24:15 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces new topic of civillian education
Sun Aug 11 18:24:50 2002-general-pritchec: ocne I figure that out I became a successful recruiter and a Station Commander
Sun Aug 11 18:24:56 2002-general-jdpendry: that's a good pointer for everyday
Sun Aug 11 18:25:55 2002-general-||||||||| Blackk just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:26:07 2002-general-||||||||| GOOCH just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 18:26:10 2002-general-pritchec: I think you need a balance of both. I have 123 semster hour and I'm 4 course shy of a Bach Degree...I'm on the 30 year Degree paln
Sun Aug 11 18:26:40 2002-general-SGTHeyse: I know what you mean, CSM P!
Sun Aug 11 18:26:44 2002-general-jdpendry: heh-heh - I know about that one
Sun Aug 11 18:26:51 2002-general-Pagan: How much do you think civilian education weighs at a promotion board?
Sun Aug 11 18:27:03 2002-general-Dan_E: How important should we weigh civ ed for promotion?
Sun Aug 11 18:27:29 2002-general-lowstature: if faced with choosing one that would limit the oportunity for the other which way would be the wiser choice?
Sun Aug 11 18:27:30 2002-general-Pagan: lol----- great minds
Sun Aug 11 18:28:04 2002-general-SGTHeyse: If I didn't come into the Army with a substantial amount of college credit, I would still be a SPC now
Sun Aug 11 18:28:36 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces upcoming open question from the group
Sun Aug 11 18:28:41 2002-general-SSG F: I have found it difficult to balance, duty versus college
Sun Aug 11 18:28:47 2002-general-Blackk: With colleges online it is so much easier. That's how I finished mine. In 15 years
Sun Aug 11 18:29:06 2002-general-pritchec: I think it should be considered and with the new Army Degree program where a soldiers and get a degree related to their MOS, there is potential for it not to as much as a discriminator as it is today
Sun Aug 11 18:30:05 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E opens the room for a new question
Sun Aug 11 18:30:27 2002-general-pritchec: We are also giving credit to those MOS's that have certifications that mean more than college...ie ASE certifications for Mechanics
Sun Aug 11 18:30:38 2002-general-SSG F: I would like to hear about the SMA selection process...
Sun Aug 11 18:31:16 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E notes new topic of SMA selection process
Sun Aug 11 18:32:15 2002-general-SGTHeyse: So, how is the SMA selected?
Sun Aug 11 18:32:23 2002-general-pritchec: There is a worldwide message that goes out to the GOs requesting nominations for SMA, the GO nominates their CSM , based on the criteria set forth
Sun Aug 11 18:32:29 2002-general-jdpendry: Yep, once again I failed to make the short list - I think I'll just five it up
Sun Aug 11 18:32:56 2002-general-Pagan: CSM P, I heard that you gave SMA Tilley quite a run for his money at the last selection board -- how does that feel?
Sun Aug 11 18:33:07 2002-general-pritchec: Once the names have been submitted, they go through a backgorund check and all must have a TS clearance
Sun Aug 11 18:33:13 2002-general-Blackk: What is the criteria?
Sun Aug 11 18:33:14 2002-general-SGTHeyse: What sort of criteria does the board look for?
Sun Aug 11 18:33:22 2002-general-||||||||| SGT Spoon just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:33:26 2002-general-SSG F: Is the pool just from MACOM CSMs, or from any CSM (providing standards are met)
Sun Aug 11 18:33:37 2002-general-pritchec: Then the candidates and for SMA Tilley's board there were 15 of us
Sun Aug 11 18:34:09 2002-general-pritchec: Normally from those CSM on nominative Billets 1-4 star GO
Sun Aug 11 18:34:37 2002-general-pritchec: There is a board process like a SGT/SSG board to determine the top 5
Sun Aug 11 18:35:13 2002-general-pritchec: the top five then are personnaly interviewed by the CSA and he makes his choice
Sun Aug 11 18:35:15 2002-general-SSG F: There is actually a board that you had to appear before?
Sun Aug 11 18:35:34 2002-general-jdpendry: who is on the board
Sun Aug 11 18:35:40 2002-general-Blackk: I thought you had to be combat arms?
Sun Aug 11 18:35:59 2002-general-pritchec: Yes there was, it was chair by a LTG and the other board memebers were GO with the current SMA
Sun Aug 11 18:35:59 2002-general-Pagan: Will we ever have an AG or QM or female SMA soon?
Sun Aug 11 18:36:27 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Or TC ?
Sun Aug 11 18:36:35 2002-general-Blackk: or SC
Sun Aug 11 18:36:50 2002-general-Pagan: or combination thereof
Sun Aug 11 18:37:03 2002-general-jdpendry: As soon as youhave a CoS from one of those branches
Sun Aug 11 18:37:23 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Darn
Sun Aug 11 18:37:55 2002-general-pritchec: We've had a n SMA who was an Engineer and ADA, so anything is possible. First step was that we boarded those individuals who were qualified regardless of gender...we also had a NG CSM in the pool of candidates
Sun Aug 11 18:38:02 2002-general-Pagan: I suppose then there is hope -- the Officer Corps works in mysterious ways
Sun Aug 11 18:38:39 2002-general-Pagan: So the SMA could be any component, technically?
Sun Aug 11 18:38:57 2002-general-SSG F: Was that pool chosen from a wider pool that had been nominated, or was only those 15 the ones nominated?
Sun Aug 11 18:38:58 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces upcoming open question from the group
Sun Aug 11 18:39:04 2002-general-pritchec: I am one for 4 female CSMs in the nominative arena, and I am very well received and accepted not only by my peers but the GO community
Sun Aug 11 18:39:42 2002-general-pritchec: There were only 15 nominated
Sun Aug 11 18:40:01 2002-general-SGTHeyse: CSM P, how do you see the NCO's role changing as the Army transforms?
Sun Aug 11 18:40:29 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces next topic of the NCO and transformation
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Sun Aug 11 18:41:06 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings gi_josephine, welcome
Sun Aug 11 18:41:29 2002-general-jdpendry: CSM P, who was the NG CSM?
Sun Aug 11 18:42:03 2002-general-pritchec: From just returning from NTC and observing a Joint exercise called Millinieum Challenge 2, I sse the NCO having more responsiblity in a more complex and demanding environemnet
Sun Aug 11 18:42:14 2002-general-pritchec: CSM Leonard
Sun Aug 11 18:42:31 2002-general-jdpendry: That's who I thought - good man.
Sun Aug 11 18:42:46 2002-general-||||||||| SSG F just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:42:52 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Was CSM McFowler on the short list?
Sun Aug 11 18:43:09 2002-general-Dan_E: Are you familiar with new unit training concepts at Ft Lewis, and if so can you expound?
Sun Aug 11 18:43:12 2002-general-pritchec: NCOs are still in charge of small teams , but they will be more decentralized in their execution of missions and making decisions
Sun Aug 11 18:43:49 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Sorry...I missed the topic change..
Sun Aug 11 18:43:53 2002-general-pritchec: yes, the list was CSM Beck, McFowler, Young, Tilley, Laye
Sun Aug 11 18:44:04 2002-general-SGTHeyse: What sort of institutional training can we expect to prepare us for our increased resposibilities?
Sun Aug 11 18:44:49 2002-general-pritchec: Need to provide more problem solving, how to think type lesson vs what to think
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Sun Aug 11 18:45:13 2002-general-pritchec: We need to start that earlier in our education system
Sun Aug 11 18:45:25 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings nightstalker, welcome
Sun Aug 11 18:45:31 2002-general-lowstature: more decentralized? meaning we are downplaying our leadership roles in the future?
Sun Aug 11 18:45:44 2002-general-Pagan: But wouldn't that entail changing the way POIs are changed and the length of time it takes to do so?
Sun Aug 11 18:46:01 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Is ther going to be more battle-staff oriented training incorporated in the lower-level NCOES courses prior to SMC? (Graphics, OPORDS,)
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Sun Aug 11 18:46:10 2002-general-jdpendry: Do you mean in the manner of how to process more informaiton and araive at a decsion
Sun Aug 11 18:46:31 2002-general-SGTHeyse: We need to start changing POIs NOW!
Sun Aug 11 18:46:56 2002-general-pritchec: Quite the contrary the SGT on the ground is at the tip of the spear and will have to understand the Commander's Intent to carry out this misssion and make appropriate decisions.
Sun Aug 11 18:47:27 2002-general-jdpendry: more autonomy
Sun Aug 11 18:47:27 2002-general-pritchec: This is currently going on in Bosnia and Kosovo
Sun Aug 11 18:47:30 2002-general-SSG F: That's a heavy burder when we're being pushed to send soldiers to the board.
Sun Aug 11 18:47:39 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Yes, CSM Pendry. Too many of my peers have spend too long learning what to think. If they suddenly have to convert to "how to think", without preparation, many of them are going to fail.
Sun Aug 11 18:47:50 2002-general-lowstature: so there will be less officer involvement and more responsibility for the NCO?
Sun Aug 11 18:48:00 2002-general-||||||||| SFCclayton just entered this channel
Sun Aug 11 18:48:19 2002-general-lanemeister: let the squad leader lead the squad
Sun Aug 11 18:48:27 2002-general-Pagan: What can we NCOs do now to help our younger soldiers gain that skill early on?
Sun Aug 11 18:48:47 2002-general-pritchec: The officers will still be involved but not necessarily locateed with the SGT
Sun Aug 11 18:49:00 2002-general-jdpendry: I'd suggest that you find some college level logic classes
Sun Aug 11 18:49:16 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings SFC Clayton, welcome
Sun Aug 11 18:49:28 2002-general-SSG F: that's not necessarily a bad thing, CSM P(grin)
Sun Aug 11 18:49:48 2002-general-lowstature: how will that affect the junior "forced promotion boards" and the long term future?
Sun Aug 11 18:49:50 2002-general-pritchec: We are curently getting ready to pilot a new PLDC POI which spend more time working through vigneetes, problem solving etc and less time going through "Death by VGT"
Sun Aug 11 18:50:14 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E notes topic change to board process
Sun Aug 11 18:50:22 2002-general-lanemeister: good
Sun Aug 11 18:50:58 2002-general-pritchec: First of all the promotion criteria for SGT hasn't changed in over 15 years
Sun Aug 11 18:51:26 2002-general-SFCclayton: I think that training soldiers on a "how to think" process of arriving at a decsion versus a "what to think" will result in stronger leaders. It sounds like a great idea.
Sun Aug 11 18:51:58 2002-general-lanemeister: is the criteria still valid?
Sun Aug 11 18:52:04 2002-general-SSG F: Should it be changed for the changing young soldiers? Harder, easier, neither, both?
Sun Aug 11 18:52:10 2002-general-pritchec: what has changed is that leaders don't seem to want to recommend soldiers who mean the TIS/TIg with out waiver and when you peel the onion back as to why....
Sun Aug 11 18:52:14 2002-general-Blackk: So is the promotion criteria going to change?
Sun Aug 11 18:52:40 2002-general-lowstature: the last 3 units I have been in send all primary canadites to the board regardless of their capabilities as long as they aren't flagged or barred regardless of the supervisors recommmendation
Sun Aug 11 18:53:15 2002-general-lanemeister: I reccommend when I think they're ready
Sun Aug 11 18:53:15 2002-general-Blackk: That is what I have seen also lowstature.
Sun Aug 11 18:53:19 2002-general-pritchec: the answer is I just don't think they're ready and when you ask to have that explain to you a CSM, there is usually no good explanation
Sun Aug 11 18:53:25 2002-general-SSG F: A lot of this has to do with the high OPTEMPO. There are only so many hours in a day...you have to spend SOME time accomplishing the mission instead of building a packet on the knuckleheads
Sun Aug 11 18:53:59 2002-general-SSG F: But without that packet, they are sent to the board, contrary to obviousness. You only have to look at some soldiers to know they aren't ready.
Sun Aug 11 18:54:09 2002-general-pritchec: What you've seen is that our NCOS don't have the counseling to back up why those in the PZ shouldn;t be boarded
Sun Aug 11 18:54:28 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Why is the supervisor's recommendation ignored? Who do they think knows the soldier better, the guy who he works for, or the CO, who only sees him in formation?
Sun Aug 11 18:54:37 2002-general-SFCclayton: My BN sends all of our eligible soldiers to the board - Their philosphy is that they can be trained to the standard of that grade by a Senior NCO mentor. Only problem I have is what if the soldier cannot be trained.
Sun Aug 11 18:54:55 2002-general-SSG F: I agree. I spent a lot of time documenting...CYA leadership...but I have yet to be forced to send a soldier to the board.
Sun Aug 11 18:55:05 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces 1500 hrs (EST). Discussion will be open as long as CSM Pritchett is available
Sun Aug 11 18:55:13 2002-general-pritchec: Counseling is the Key
Sun Aug 11 18:55:15 2002-general-SGTHeyse: You can't train someone who won't cooperate.
Sun Aug 11 18:55:39 2002-general-pritchec: I've have some tiome to stick around
Sun Aug 11 18:56:02 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E announces distinct gratitude of the SLdotCom team and all present to CSM Pritchett for her participation
Sun Aug 11 18:56:05 2002-general-Blackk: If they won't cooperate, that is when action needs to be taken to get the soldier out of our Army.
Sun Aug 11 18:56:09 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Speaking of boards...there's a lot of buzz lately about other services going to the "Generic" (I.E., no race, no gender, no ethnicity references) service record for promotion boards. Is the Army going to follow suit?
Sun Aug 11 18:56:30 2002-general-lanemeister: I've had a different problem, packets being lost
Sun Aug 11 18:56:40 2002-general-pritchec: Keep in mind the soldier still has to pass the Bn CSM Promotion Bd, those who truly are not ready get weeded out
Sun Aug 11 18:57:00 2002-general-SSG F: Counseling the soldier is easy...but what about the NCO? I have had a couple of NCOs who moved from being mentored to being trouble. Try to document, and the NCO moves due to "imcompatibility"
Sun Aug 11 18:57:04 2002-general-lowstature: yes thank you.... CSM P
Sun Aug 11 18:57:07 2002-general-SFCclayton: I agree that counseling is an important mentor duty - but if that fails to work as intended - you now have a NCO whom lacks the leadership skills to lead - what do you do with them then?
Sun Aug 11 18:57:10 2002-general-jdpendry: Dan, what does the SLdotCom Guest speaker Plaque look like?
Sun Aug 11 18:57:32 2002-general-SGTHeyse: CSM P, that wasn't the case in Nov 2000. Soldiers who manifestly did not want to be there were recommended for promotion.
Sun Aug 11 18:57:58 2002-general-Dan_E: Dave, it is in electrons!
Sun Aug 11 18:58:04 2002-general-pritchec: Then that's on the Sr NCO leadership in my popinion
Sun Aug 11 18:59:04 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Repeats Dan_Es distinct grattitude...
Sun Aug 11 18:59:08 2002-general-SGTHeyse: We have NCO reduction boards at Ft. Eustis
Sun Aug 11 18:59:20 2002-general-pritchec: The Army is looking at what is called "masking the record" so you base your evaluation on performance
Sun Aug 11 18:59:32 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Thank you again for joining us, CSM P
Sun Aug 11 18:59:32 2002-general-SSG F: This brings us around full circle...with the predictability of a 19 month SFC list, and all of the openings, then that opens up more eligible slots for E-6, E-5 and on down, doesn't it?
Sun Aug 11 18:59:42 2002-general-pritchec: But nothing officially yet
Sun Aug 11 18:59:55 2002-general-SFCclayton: I agree - unfortunately when CDR's need the numbers to maintain a certain unit strength - they move the soldier elsewhere within the unit and now it becomes another Senior NCO problem somewhere else - Passing the buck.
Sun Aug 11 19:00:00 2002-general-jdpendry: CSM P - thanks for coming by here. Please pass on to your peers - especially those with worldiwide reach - that this is a golden opportunity for them and NCOS
Sun Aug 11 19:00:07 2002-general-pritchec: Yes, it allows for upward mobility!
Sun Aug 11 19:01:00 2002-general-Pagan: I think we all have enjoyed your insight and appreciate it immensely -- thank you for taking the time and staying a bit longer as well!
Sun Aug 11 19:01:06 2002-general-SSG F: CSM P, thanks for joining us. BTW, I see you used to be in 37th Transcom...As I currently am...Semper Rotans...
Sun Aug 11 19:01:31 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Concur...virtually no faster way to get the word out to the field, and permits world-wide networking as well as contacts..
Sun Aug 11 19:01:38 2002-general-Dan_E: CSM P, any near term plans for the future?
Sun Aug 11 19:02:09 2002-general-SGTHeyse: I was attached to 37th TRANSCOM for Allied Force...
Sun Aug 11 19:02:25 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Not to metion the benefit of you and your peers extremely valuable personal experiences
Sun Aug 11 19:02:31 2002-general-pritchec: Remember, we all had to be trained...an more likely than not someone took a chance on us and recommended us to advancement for our potential. If one of a soldiers is ready for advancement first palce we should look is in the mirror.
Sun Aug 11 19:03:06 2002-general-pritchec: That was if one of our soldiers isn't ready
Sun Aug 11 19:03:54 2002-general-pritchec: Iwas the supply SGT back in 75-78
Sun Aug 11 19:04:02 2002-general-pritchec: Greta unit
Sun Aug 11 19:04:25 2002-general-SSG F: I'm sure things have changed some, but we're still here on Kleber
Sun Aug 11 19:04:42 2002-general-SGTHeyse: How professional...
Sun Aug 11 19:05:03 2002-general-SGTHeyse: CSM P, I'm not gonna say where I was in 75-78!
Sun Aug 11 19:05:07 2002-general-pritchec: I will remaoim at CAC for one more year with LTG Riley and then we'll see....they have extended me to 35 years!
Sun Aug 11 19:05:30 2002-general-Pagan: If you're nominated for SMA agian, will you compete again?
Sun Aug 11 19:06:07 2002-general-lowstature: 35, wow thats love for ya....
Sun Aug 11 19:06:10 2002-general-pritchec: Yes, I will compete if nominated again
Sun Aug 11 19:06:30 2002-general-Pagan: Awesome!!!
Sun Aug 11 19:06:47 2002-general-Blackk: Good luck, would love to see a female as SMA.
Sun Aug 11 19:07:06 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Sounds like they're setting you up for SMA, CSM P! 35 years! Wow!
Sun Aug 11 19:07:35 2002-general-SSG F: Perhaps there should be some input from the troops...evaluate from the bottom...you've got our vote, I think...
Sun Aug 11 19:07:43 2002-general-pritchec: Thanks, when folks hear I was competing the last time I didn't hear one negative comment
Sun Aug 11 19:07:49 2002-general-SGT Spoon: *hears yet another glass ceiling breaking* (S)
Sun Aug 11 19:08:35 2002-general-jdpendry: CSM P - good luck, look forward to reading your book - got to head out now.
Sun Aug 11 19:08:43 2002-general-Pagan: You were pointed out to me as a good role model and lots of good things were said to back that up.
Sun Aug 11 19:08:58 2002-general-pritchec: I got alot of support form alot of male soldiers, who know me and are confident in my ability, being a women is what I am. Can't change that
Sun Aug 11 19:09:00 2002-general-Pagan: Bye CSM Pendry, be safe
Sun Aug 11 19:09:11 2002-general-SGTHeyse: CSM P, what is the name of your book? This is the first I've heard of it.
Sun Aug 11 19:09:18 2002-general-Dan_E: Would you consider other positions, like on of the CINC (forget new name) or AMC?
Sun Aug 11 19:09:19 2002-general-||||||||| jdpendry just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 19:10:31 2002-general-pritchec: I will consider whatever comes open as long as I'm qualified...but not for the sake of being the first or just hanging around
Sun Aug 11 19:11:14 2002-general-pritchec: I've been encourged to write a book when I retire...something I need to work on
Sun Aug 11 19:11:51 2002-general-Dan_E: Any particular mentors that were instrumental in your career?
Sun Aug 11 19:11:55 2002-general-Blackk: Great to hear your insight. Have to go.
Sun Aug 11 19:12:53 2002-general-Dan_E: ..
Sun Aug 11 19:13:31 2002-general-pritchec: Yes, my DS - SGM (R) Karin Siddens, MSG McKenzies (37th Grp), BG (R) Pat Foote, SFC Bobby Oden (Sr DS),
Sun Aug 11 19:13:47 2002-general-pritchec: SMA Kidd and SMA Hall
Sun Aug 11 19:14:24 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Considering the span of your career, I think a book would be appropriate. It would be very inspirational and educational to young soldiers coming up. I read SMA Bainbridge's book before I came in, and have re-read it often since then.
Sun Aug 11 19:14:34 2002-general-SSG F: CSM Pritchett, once again, thanks for taking the time to join us. Boss, it's great that this worked out well, looking forward to the next one. Everyone...thanks for the participation, I enjoyed it. See you around the board.
Sun Aug 11 19:14:52 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Bye SSG F! Have a great week!
Sun Aug 11 19:15:04 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Roger...
Sun Aug 11 19:15:08 2002-general-SSG F: Hope you have a better one. Bye...
Sun Aug 11 19:15:13 2002-general-lowstature: L8R SSG F
Sun Aug 11 19:15:15 2002-general-||||||||| SSG F just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 19:15:16 2002-general-Pagan: bye SSG F
Sun Aug 11 19:15:31 2002-general-pritchec: This has been great, I really enjoyed chatting with everyone, despite my typing skills. I look forward to joining you again.
Sun Aug 11 19:15:35 2002-general-SGTHeyse: hooah! Waterborne!
Sun Aug 11 19:15:53 2002-general-Pagan: I think you're welcome any time.
Sun Aug 11 19:16:08 2002-general-pritchec: Dan, Thanks for asking me to participate, I will be back!
Sun Aug 11 19:16:33 2002-general-lowstature: Thank you......
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Sun Aug 11 19:17:12 2002-general-pritchec: I've got to go cut my grass! God Bless everyone and Be Safe out there.
Sun Aug 11 19:17:14 2002-general-lowstature: always good to here what the seniors take on what is going on
Sun Aug 11 19:17:33 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Take care, CSM P!
Sun Aug 11 19:17:37 2002-general-Dan_E: Glad to have you. Thanks again
Sun Aug 11 19:17:38 2002-general-Pagan: Thanks again, CSM P.
Sun Aug 11 19:18:05 2002-general-pritchec: You're most welcome, Bye for now
Sun Aug 11 19:18:10 2002-general-SGT Spoon: *got a good feelin' about this forum*
Sun Aug 11 19:18:19 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Roger..thank you
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Sun Aug 11 19:18:30 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Come again, SGT Spoon!
Sun Aug 11 19:18:42 2002-general-lowstature: thank you too CSM E (dan)........nice of you to do that for everyone...
Sun Aug 11 19:18:47 2002-general-||||||||| pritchec just logged off.
Sun Aug 11 19:18:49 2002-general-SGTHeyse: We're here every week!
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Sun Aug 11 19:19:07 2002-general-SGT Spoon: Will do...thanks..
Sun Aug 11 19:19:19 2002-general-Pagan: I think it went very very well -- I'm proud of us. We just broke ground on something great!
Sun Aug 11 19:19:23 2002-general-lowstature: scouts out (gnite all)