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Sun Sep 8 17:56:05 2002-general-SSG F: I was about to...
Sun Sep 8 17:56:06 2002-general-Meyotch: i noticed that they are working on the new housing near USASMA, looks good from the pictures, much needed and deserved
Sun Sep 8 17:58:12 2002-general-westc: I lost you guys a couple of times, new at this chat stuff
Sun Sep 8 17:59:29 2002-general-Dan_E: Looks like you made it back just in time, we are about to get started.
Sun Sep 8 17:59:35 2002-general-SGTHeyse: This program can be a little cantankerous till you get the hang of it, CSM W!
Sun Sep 8 17:59:42 2002-general-westc: IDan I got your message and will follow alog as best I can
Sun Sep 8 18:00:04 2002-general-westc: I got it lets get started
Sun Sep 8 18:00:10 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E calls the room to attention
Sun Sep 8 18:00:22 2002-general-SSG F: MENTOR THE FORCE!!!!
Sun Sep 8 18:00:26 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Mentor the Force!
Sun Sep 8 18:00:31 2002-general-SSG_MAC: MENTOR THE FORCE!!
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Sun Sep 8 18:00:55 2002-general-Meyotch: MENTOR THE FORCE!!
Sun Sep 8 18:01:02 2002-general-Dan_E: CSM West, on behalf of all the NCOs here, thanks for participating. I will now turn the questions over to SGT Heyse.
Sun Sep 8 18:01:15 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E notes chat has begun
Sun Sep 8 18:01:18 2002-general-westc: HOOAH
Sun Sep 8 18:01:38 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse First question: I heard PLDC and other NCOES courses are going to be changed to give more leadership time to upcoming leaders. Is this true? What other changes are going to be made?
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Sun Sep 8 18:02:39 2002-general-Dan_E: Grettings Karl
Sun Sep 8 18:02:53 2002-general-westc: It is true, and will provide much needed leadership during the course. We hope to add a lot of opportunities for a young sergeat to use his leadership
Sun Sep 8 18:02:59 2002-general-Dan_E: Jump in Adam
Sun Sep 8 18:03:31 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Are the plans to lengthen the courses?
Sun Sep 8 18:03:31 2002-general-lanemeister: hello
Sun Sep 8 18:03:35 2002-general-SSG F: I have heard, over here in 7th ATC, that the course is about to be condensed to two weeks. Is that true?
Sun Sep 8 18:04:10 2002-general-westc: Some of these questions will take a lot of time to answer in the detail needed. If I don't get the hole answer call me on the phone later
Sun Sep 8 18:05:04 2002-general-Dan_E: We will offer you a condensed version and post any replies.
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Sun Sep 8 18:05:39 2002-general-Dan_E: Do you expect PLDC to get a major change, or just some tweaks?
Sun Sep 8 18:05:49 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings CSM Pritchett.
Sun Sep 8 18:05:51 2002-general-lowstature: Hello all
Sun Sep 8 18:06:09 2002-general-westc: SGT F, all NCOES core material is controled by the academy. No change now
Sun Sep 8 18:06:11 2002-general-pritchec: Hi, everyone
Sun Sep 8 18:06:45 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E notes 5 minutes remaining on this topic
Sun Sep 8 18:07:04 2002-general-SSG F: Isn't there some standardization across the Army? Should there be?
Sun Sep 8 18:07:40 2002-general-westc: CSM Pritchett, good to see you here I may need some help
Sun Sep 8 18:08:58 2002-general-pritchec: Okay, but I'm on my way to the airport, just stopped by to see how you were doing so far
Sun Sep 8 18:09:36 2002-general-westc: SGT F, all courses are standard within the common core. The branches have the fredom to change
Sun Sep 8 18:09:52 2002-general-lowstature: .
Sun Sep 8 18:10:32 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse signals for final comments on this topic
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Sun Sep 8 18:11:12 2002-general-Dan_E: go
Sun Sep 8 18:11:52 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse opens the floor for the next question
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Sun Sep 8 18:13:32 2002-general-Dan_E: I liked the one about designing a Senior NCO Course (SNCOC). Do you see that in the future?
Sun Sep 8 18:14:03 2002-general-lowstature: Are they going to make a mandatory 1SG course in the near future?
Sun Sep 8 18:14:30 2002-general-lowstature: (oops sorry Dan)
Sun Sep 8 18:14:54 2002-general-Dan_E: Thats fine.
Sun Sep 8 18:15:24 2002-general-wharrill: does the Academy consider the Distance Learning Program a success up to this point?
Sun Sep 8 18:16:09 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E notes 3 active questions. Defers discussion to CSM West
Sun Sep 8 18:17:30 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E Standby, CSM West was bumped off
Sun Sep 8 18:18:32 2002-general-SSG F: brb
Sun Sep 8 18:19:03 2002-general-Dan_E: I will ask lowstature to ask his again when CSM West returns, then wharrill next
Sun Sep 8 18:19:22 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Hooah
Sun Sep 8 18:20:24 2002-general-Dan_E: He did mention it sounded easy enogh for an Infantryman <grin>
Sun Sep 8 18:20:45 2002-general-lowstature: .
Sun Sep 8 18:21:17 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Wonder what happened...
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Sun Sep 8 18:21:40 2002-general-Dan_E: You may keep the discussion going while we wait
Sun Sep 8 18:22:11 2002-general-Dan_E: Greetings new arrivals.
Sun Sep 8 18:22:31 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Welcome to the chat!
Sun Sep 8 18:22:37 2002-general-gertrudeshr: thanks...sorry I'm late
Sun Sep 8 18:23:12 2002-general-SSG_MAC: As far as distance learning- when I was still a SGL, we had 1 pilot class, and there were still quite a few bugs...
Sun Sep 8 18:23:21 2002-general-Dan_E: Our guest is having some technical problems, should be right back
Sun Sep 8 18:23:25 2002-general-SGTHeyse: That's OK...
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Sun Sep 8 18:23:43 2002-general-gertrudeshr: can anyone school me on the phases of ancoc?
Sun Sep 8 18:23:44 2002-general-SSG_MAC: but that was about 10-12 months ago, so I'm sure they have fixed at least SOME of it!
Sun Sep 8 18:23:52 2002-general-SGTHeyse: I think distance learning is a great idea, but it isn't available to everyone, everywhere.
Sun Sep 8 18:23:55 2002-general-Dan_E: I developed and taught the 1st ANCOC via TNET while working at USASMA.
Sun Sep 8 18:23:58 2002-general-gertrudeshr: where is pahse one done at?
Sun Sep 8 18:24:26 2002-general-gertrudeshr: i am currently at hood, but cant find anything about it being done here
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Sun Sep 8 18:25:41 2002-general-SSG_MAC: The ultimate plan was to have regional schools handle Phase I, then folks would go to Regimental "hmes" for MOS specific stuff...
Sun Sep 8 18:26:21 2002-general-Dan_E: TNET is video conferencing
Sun Sep 8 18:26:24 2002-general-SSG_MAC: But, like I said, I have been gone from the Academy for almost 1 year, so I'm not sure what the latest status is.
Sun Sep 8 18:26:27 2002-general-robjot: Thanks to the webmaster for approving my membership so quickly
Sun Sep 8 18:26:32 2002-general-gertrudeshr: i have looked in atrrs and my branch (Redstone OMMCS) lists phase 2 for 5 weeks, but nothing on phase 1
Sun Sep 8 18:26:44 2002-general-SSG_MAC: "Hmes" was supposed to be "homes"!
Sun Sep 8 18:27:01 2002-general-Dan_E: Sorry for the extra security, but our FPCON went up after some hassles last night.
Sun Sep 8 18:27:10 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Does that mean that soldiers stationed overseas would have Phase I in-country, then return to the States for Phase II?
Sun Sep 8 18:27:37 2002-general-Dan_E: PH 1 is going to be MOS nonspecific at any TASS school
Sun Sep 8 18:27:39 2002-general-gertrudeshr: i think that is the plan
Sun Sep 8 18:27:53 2002-general-SSG F: Yeah, that is what is happening.
Sun Sep 8 18:28:06 2002-general-SSG_MAC: I was at APG- if you go to the Ordnance website, there is a link for the school at Redstone- that might help you...
Sun Sep 8 18:28:11 2002-general-SSG F: One of my fellow NCOs did common core via VTC here in Germany
Sun Sep 8 18:28:16 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E notes CSM West should return any moment
Sun Sep 8 18:28:29 2002-general-SSG F: And is currently at Ft Eustis doing the rest
Sun Sep 8 18:28:32 2002-general-gertrudeshr: I've beent there SSG Mac...not much info there
Sun Sep 8 18:28:40 2002-general-SSG_MAC: I'll send you the link on your Private Message
Sun Sep 8 18:28:56 2002-general-SSG_MAC: for Ordnance homepage.
Sun Sep 8 18:29:01 2002-general-Meyotch: how would that fit in with the proposal to make europe a one year tour
Sun Sep 8 18:29:13 2002-general-SSG_MAC: OK- never mind! :-)
Sun Sep 8 18:29:22 2002-general-SSG F: Oh, that's raising come cain over here...
Sun Sep 8 18:29:41 2002-general-gertrudeshr: thanks for the offer
Sun Sep 8 18:29:48 2002-general-||||||||| Dan_E just logged off.
Sun Sep 8 18:30:23 2002-general-SSG F: I'm not sure they can turn USAREUR into a unaccompanied tour just like that
Sun Sep 8 18:30:23 2002-general-SSG_MAC: If I think of anything else gertrudeshr- I'll shoot it to ya'.
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Sun Sep 8 18:30:51 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Sounds like a lot of people will have to put off completing ANCOC until they come back...
Sun Sep 8 18:30:54 2002-general-Dan_E: Welcome gawarrior
Sun Sep 8 18:31:48 2002-general-gertrudeshr: Thanks
Sun Sep 8 18:31:51 2002-general-SSG F: They may still have a regional school house over here. A lot of the reservists over here for FP got a shot to go to PLDC
Sun Sep 8 18:32:03 2002-general-||||||||| westc just entered this channel
Sun Sep 8 18:32:14 2002-general-lanemeister: we've done some vtt, the delay is the hard part to get used to
Sun Sep 8 18:32:26 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Welcome back, CSM West!
Sun Sep 8 18:32:28 2002-general-westc: OK, the back door worked
Sun Sep 8 18:32:35 2002-general-lowstature: CSM West, will they be adding any more NCOES courses for the senior NCOs, like a mandatory 1SG course?
Sun Sep 8 18:32:37 2002-general-Dan_E: Welcome back CSM West
Sun Sep 8 18:33:01 2002-general-westc: any ideas what happened
Sun Sep 8 18:33:16 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse requests that all other questions are held until we finish with this one
Sun Sep 8 18:33:43 2002-general-Dan_E: Not sure, sometimes when the board gets busy, it gets confused who is who.
Sun Sep 8 18:33:48 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Bluechat can be ornery sometimes?
Sun Sep 8 18:34:35 2002-general-westc: There is a plan to put a senior course in the NCOES system. Not sure what it will be called or if it will be approved
Sun Sep 8 18:34:39 2002-general-||||||||| SSG_MAC just logged off.
Sun Sep 8 18:35:01 2002-general-Dan_E: CSM West if you are ready, we will get back to the discussion. lowstature has the next question.
Sun Sep 8 18:35:21 2002-general-westc: I am ready
Sun Sep 8 18:35:24 2002-general-lowstature: what is the intended focus for the proposed course?
Sun Sep 8 18:36:17 2002-general-westc: It will be at the MSG level and prepare them for both operations and 1SG duty
Sun Sep 8 18:36:53 2002-general-wharrill: Will the current 1SG course remain in effect?
Sun Sep 8 18:37:29 2002-general-Dan_E: Or BSNCOC?
Sun Sep 8 18:37:45 2002-general-westc: If we go to the new course I believe it will serve the needs and there will be no need for the current course
Sun Sep 8 18:38:21 2002-general-SSG F: Is it going to be a prerequisite for promotion to 1SG or the assumption of Staff jobs?
Sun Sep 8 18:39:11 2002-general-westc: That is not my call, but if it is in NCOES you can bet it will have a link to promotions
Sun Sep 8 18:40:03 2002-general-Dan_E: How do you see SMC earlier in a soldiers career competing with this new course?
Sun Sep 8 18:40:24 2002-general-gawarrior95b: Will this course still have to pass the core curric\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Sun Sep 8 18:40:30 2002-general-gawarrior95b: sorry about that
Sun Sep 8 18:40:33 2002-general-westc: Remember we are in the middle of planning for the new NCOES courses and much will chang
Sun Sep 8 18:40:40 2002-general-||||||||| gertrudeshr just logged off.
Sun Sep 8 18:41:25 2002-general-gawarrior95b: will this course still containt the core curriculum of the other courses?
Sun Sep 8 18:41:33 2002-general-Dan_E: To rephrase, could the new course replace or compliment SMC?
Sun Sep 8 18:41:34 2002-general-westc: Dan not sure of the question
Sun Sep 8 18:41:36 2002-general-wharrill: I am not sure I like the idea of combining the two. Currently we are sending NCO's to school after they have already been performing in the job we are sending them to school for.
Sun Sep 8 18:42:26 2002-general-westc: DAN, I don't see us having two courses.
Sun Sep 8 18:42:57 2002-general-Dan_E: Well, the SMA's intent is to get SMC earlier, which means the MSG/1SG. If we develop a MSG course, seems like conflict?
Sun Sep 8 18:43:12 2002-general-Dan_E: Roger, I was too slow. Gotcha
Sun Sep 8 18:43:56 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Would a course combining FSC and BSNCOC be geared towards SFC(P)?
Sun Sep 8 18:43:59 2002-general-westc: The BSC and the 1SG will not be combined. Some requirements from both may however move. Remember in the ATLP we had a lot of responses that stated we trained too late in the career
Sun Sep 8 18:44:42 2002-general-westc: They would be for the SFCP and MSG
Sun Sep 8 18:44:54 2002-general-Dan_E: Maybe bumping each course earlier then?
Sun Sep 8 18:45:28 2002-general-wharrill: Typically the SFC has already performed in the MSG Ops postion
Sun Sep 8 18:45:34 2002-general-lowstature: would it be better to put some of the 1SG course in the ANCOC course to assist the SFC 1SG's?
Sun Sep 8 18:46:21 2002-general-westc: I would just lik to say a lot is going on and we are in the middle of transition.
Sun Sep 8 18:46:32 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse calls for final comments on this topic
Sun Sep 8 18:47:55 2002-general-westc: LOW, we are trying to determin if and what should be trained earlier in the career of and NCO. Haven't got the subjects or what is going to move
Sun Sep 8 18:48:44 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse Next question: Why isn't there a standardized selection process for SGLs?
Sun Sep 8 18:50:02 2002-general-westc: To follow up on the last answer, we are going to try to get the sergeant ready for the next level and have some subject material deticated to a posible assignment of one grade higher
Sun Sep 8 18:50:43 2002-general-Dan_E: Plus, lifelong learning will have a part, correct?
Sun Sep 8 18:51:02 2002-general-westc: Great question. Just had the IPAT at TRADOC last week on this subject. There should be and I will push for it
Sun Sep 8 18:52:01 2002-general-gawarrior95b: what things are you gonna start looking for if you do standardize the selection process?
Sun Sep 8 18:52:20 2002-general-Dan_E: What about special incentives for SGL (badge, Propay, etc.)
Sun Sep 8 18:52:36 2002-general-westc: Dan, as you know we need this process if we want our NCOs to be all they can be
Sun Sep 8 18:53:26 2002-general-westc: We did propose several items, pay, assignments preference, and reconition at promotion boards to name a few
Sun Sep 8 18:55:08 2002-general-Dan_E: ..
Sun Sep 8 18:55:21 2002-general-westc: Warrior, we want an instructor who is a reconized experenced war-fighter. I think he needs to have that before he starts teaching others
Sun Sep 8 18:55:31 2002-general-lowstature: .
Sun Sep 8 18:55:36 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Is it likely that these incentives will go into effect soon?
Sun Sep 8 18:56:40 2002-general-westc: No, it may not happen for a couple of years but trust that I will continue to keep the heat on. This sergeant is too important to be left to chance
Sun Sep 8 18:57:01 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse notes five minutes remaining until the scheduled end of the chat...
Sun Sep 8 18:57:17 2002-general-fmartlock: What is your advise on NCO vs. Officer business?
Sun Sep 8 18:57:54 2002-general-westc: To bring the best folks from the field they have to see it as a challenge and part of their career
Sun Sep 8 18:58:45 2002-general-westc: Leadership is everyones business. I don't like that term nor do I use it
Sun Sep 8 18:58:55 2002-general-lowstature: are SGL's are selected by interview only, or by branch and put on orders for it?
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Sun Sep 8 18:59:44 2002-general-westc: Most are selected by and interview
Sun Sep 8 19:00:15 2002-general-wharrill: CSM West, does the Academy consider the Distance Learning Program a success up to this point, and what was the driving factor in distance education
Sun Sep 8 19:00:39 2002-general-westc: To add to the last, they are only selected by the branch to go to the instalation.
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Sun Sep 8 19:01:24 2002-general-gawarrior95b: Do you see any changes being made to the NCOES curriculum due to more needed training of Urban Warfare?
Sun Sep 8 19:01:47 2002-general-westc: Distance learning is a success but it has a ways to go. I think the driving factor is cost
Sun Sep 8 19:02:27 2002-general-wharrill: Why must the NCO corp suffer in their education process, and the officer Corp continue to have all of their coursed not via distance ed?
Sun Sep 8 19:02:52 2002-general-westc: We have been told to look at current POI to add lessons on combat in the city
Sun Sep 8 19:03:12 2002-general-wharrill: Our education is as important as theirs, if not more important, after all who is the Backbone of the Army
Sun Sep 8 19:03:40 2002-general-westc: wharrill, not a true statement all courses have been reduced through DL
Sun Sep 8 19:04:19 2002-general-||||||||| SGTHeyse notes we have reached scheduled end of chat
Sun Sep 8 19:04:22 2002-general-pritchec: Being involved in OES from the mist senior levels , OES is undergoing a major change which will involve DL for CPTs especially
Sun Sep 8 19:04:36 2002-general-SGTHeyse: CSM West, will you be able to remain with us longer?
Sun Sep 8 19:04:44 2002-general-westc: Frankly I don't think we suffer, I as w2ell as your SMA will see that you get the best we can provide
Sun Sep 8 19:05:20 2002-general-westc: I can stay for a while longer since I lost so much time
Sun Sep 8 19:06:04 2002-general-Dan_E: Great news
Sun Sep 8 19:06:04 2002-general-wharrill: I have visited DL courses, I feel the level of education is not of the same quality that was taught at the Academy
Sun Sep 8 19:06:08 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Thank you! Please let us know when you have to go...
Sun Sep 8 19:06:09 2002-general-SSG F: Has there been any difference between students at the Academy who do DL as opposed to resident? Does it seem to be pretty equal?
Sun Sep 8 19:08:38 2002-general-westc: My machine is acting up again I will continue to send but it is slow
Sun Sep 8 19:09:09 2002-general-wharrill: no problem CSM, enjoyed the chat!
Sun Sep 8 19:09:11 2002-general-westc: SSGF are you talking about the sergeants major academy students or students at all NCOES
Sun Sep 8 19:09:44 2002-general-westc: As for the quality of training in DL. It is OK but as stated needs work. It wioll evolve in time and I am sure fit the needs of the NCO
Sun Sep 8 19:10:00 2002-general-SSG F: Both, actually. I just had two former 1SGs attend the course, one through resident and one through DL
Sun Sep 8 19:10:15 2002-general-SSG F: but I was wondering about the new way ANCOC is also going
Sun Sep 8 19:10:37 2002-general-pritchec: The feedback we receieve from those who have attended ie Battle Staff/1SG course and ANCOC/BNCOC Common Core has been positive , but it needs some improvements as technology improves
Sun Sep 8 19:12:12 2002-general-lanemeister: what about SMA-NRC?
Sun Sep 8 19:12:30 2002-general-westc: Dan This has been great, wish I could do it more often, but for your users they can call me or the academy at anytime and ask questions. I am excited about the new NCOES. It is a ways off but we have not done much in its 30 years to improve.
Sun Sep 8 19:13:11 2002-general-Dan_E: CSM West, on behalf of all the NCOs at squad-leader.com we appreciate you attending our chat and sharing your information with us.
Sun Sep 8 19:13:38 2002-general-gawarrior95b: CSM West thank you for the information
Sun Sep 8 19:13:39 2002-general-Dan_E: We will post the transcripts for those unable to attend. Thanks again.
Sun Sep 8 19:13:43 2002-general-wharrill: CSM West , Great info!!, and enjoyed the chat!!
Sun Sep 8 19:13:49 2002-general-SGTHeyse: Thank you, CSM West!
Sun Sep 8 19:13:51 2002-general-SSG F: CSM West, thanks for taking the time for us. It has been appreciated
Sun Sep 8 19:14:02 2002-general-westc: see you soon
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